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PaulRyckier
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Sat 03 Nov 2012, 22:20

Islanddawn,

thank you very much for these photographs. When you click on the "sources" underneath the series there is a lot of information more as about the magic lantern as for instance from the Victorian age...

Kind regards from your friend,

Paul.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Mon 19 Nov 2012, 13:10

Abraham Lincoln at Gettysburg around noon arriving for the dedication of the national cemetery and about three hours before he gave the Gettysburg Address.



19 November 1863
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Thu 02 May 2013, 09:50

2 May 1945, the Soviet flag is raised over the Reichstag in Berlin, photograph by Yevgeny Khaldei;

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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Sun 05 May 2013, 10:03

Cadillac Square, Detroit, Michigan 1872 featuring the newly unveiled Soldiers & Sailors Monument commemorating Michigan warriors killed in the American Civil War. It's 'Motortown' before any Cadillacs or before any cars at all:




Here's a view of the Monument in its contemporary setting. Note the additional figures added on the upper plinths:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Wed 29 May 2013, 12:09

Sixty years ago today, Tenzing Norgay photographed on the summit of Mount Everest by Edmund Hillary;

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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 05 Jul 2013, 23:44

The BBC's imagine series has this summer broadcast 2 stunning programs looking at mid-20th Century photography.

The first is about Vivian Maier, an American nanny and amateur photographer who took over 150,000 amazing photographs in the 1950s and 1960s but which were totally unknown and unpublished in her lifetime:

Vivian Maier: Who Took Nanny's Pictures?

The second is the bleaker subject matter of war photography and the work of English photojournalist Donald McCullin during his heyday in the 1960s and 1970s:

McCullin

Jacqui and David Morris' film on Don McCullin is unrelentingly graphic so be warned. For that reason, and at an hour and a half long, it's probably best watched piecemeal in digestible snippets rather than all in one go.

Not sure if these films are available to view for those outside Great Britain & Northern Ireland but no doubt they will become available on other sites.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Sat 06 Jul 2013, 23:01

Vizzer,
 
" Not sure if these films are available to view for those outside Great Britain & Northern Ireland"
 
In fact no, but nevertheless thanks cher Vizzer (I don't use "dear" while in my ears it  sounds so "dear" Wink ...)

Kind regards and with esteem,

your Paul.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Tue 09 Jul 2013, 08:55

The Vivian Maier programme is on youtube;



the McCullin programme has not been youtubed yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Tue 09 Jul 2013, 22:15

Thanks a lot, Triceratops for showing one of Vizzer's videos. Just seen it. Interesting stuff.

Have not that much time. Did for the ex-BBC messageboards once Albert Kahn, can find it back perhaps...
In the meantime:

 https://www.google.be/search?q=albert+kahn+photographs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=SHjcUZGhFYnDPObygJAM&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1240&bih=731


http://www.albertkahn.co.uk/firstworldwar.html

If you have some time, you can find a lot about it (youtube etc) on the net...to publish it here on our site...

Kind regards and with esteem,

Paul.

PS. Glad to see you back.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Wed 10 Jul 2013, 13:39

There are 10 documentaries about the Albert Kahn film collection, Paul. The playlist is attached;

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7zBJZS6L7_1pFF5BumDTvi6sL-m5iqo4
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Wed 28 Aug 2013, 14:02

Old, and some not so old, photographs from around the British Isles

http://www.francisfrith.com/search/

http://www.visitthepast.co.uk/
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Thu 06 Mar 2014, 13:18

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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 02 May 2014, 14:20

Life Magazine's archive of photographs on google;

http://images.google.com/hosted/life
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Mon 09 Nov 2015, 12:56

Here's some restored and colourised photos of the discovery of Tut's tomb. Beautifully done, some have an almost painterly feel.







http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/11977795/King-Tuts-tomb-Colourised-photos-documenting-Howard-Carters-discovery.html?frame=3492848
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Mon 09 Nov 2015, 15:26

Fascinating photos ferval, thanks for sharing. I spent ages pouring over them trying to take in every detail.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Mon 09 Nov 2015, 16:03

Don't make a monkey out of me:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Mon 09 Nov 2015, 16:59

Oh and on the subject of King Tut's tomb, a possible new discovery of an unkown chamber? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151106-tut-tutankhamun-tomb-thermal-imaging-nefertiti-archaeology/

Although I'm highly suspicious of National Georgraphic now that it has been bought out by Murdoch.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Mon 09 Nov 2015, 17:30

It seems that Zahi Hawass's nose is seriously out of joint!

http://www.egyptindependent.com/opinion/nicholas-reeves-did-not-discover-tomb-no-63
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Thu 12 Nov 2015, 10:30

Colourised photo of the British 1924 Everest Expedition;

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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Thu 12 Nov 2015, 14:35

I remember this image, though had quite forgotten it again until today when it was used in a newspaper article about the courageous black photographer Peter Magubane who operated in apartheid-ridden South Africa (and suffered for his profession when he served over a year in solitary confinement from 1974 for having the audacity to photograph whites when the police were around).



Click on image to read the article from today's Guardian

This photograph of a young girl and her family's maid from Johannesburg in 1956 went around the world, and indeed for many people it was the first indication of the ludicrously racist ethos that passed for "normality" in a country still seen at that time as one of the British Commonwealth's great successes by way of its ex-empire dominions. Southern state Americans alas could all too readily identify with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Thu 12 Nov 2015, 18:11

Hmm ... I'm not at all convinced by that 1924 Everest picture. It's very 'blue' and looks just like a 19th century aquatint ... ie a printed b&w photo, hand or machine coloured using a limited palette, to make the picture more life-like. Are we expected to believe that the leader of the expedition got his mother to knit matching scarves and gloves for all the team using the same pale blue wool?

And pale blue surely wasn't a popular colour in the 1920s. The watercolour paintings and drawing done by Dr Wilson, scientific officer to Capt Scott's first Antarctic expedition, show mostly practical browns and greys (furs, leather, twill, tweed, worsted, denim, oiled or waxed canvas etc), with just the occasional flash of colour from a shirt collar, or a knitted woollen sweater, scarf of mitten, and these flashes of colour are predominantly dark reds, dark blues, or dark greens, ... or creamy white of cotton or unbleached canvas.

So in that Everest photo I think someone's just made the colouring up ... and in the absence of any real colour evidence they've just plumped for a neutral but unconvincing pale blue. And with a very bright/light background of snow I'd have thought the original would have had to be slightly over-exposed to get a good contrast, and so if the photographer had been able to use colour film, any colours would have been artificially darkened compared to real life. The colourised photo is little improvement on the original b&w photo ... unless someone can explain how they "reconstructed"  the over-riding blue colours from just the original negative's shades of grey.


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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 13 Nov 2015, 04:08

As an aside is 'colourised' a new word now? The process of applying touches of colour to black and white photos is called colour tinting last I heard, which is a while ago come to think of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 13 Nov 2015, 09:30

I can understand the use of "colourised" in photography terms as "coloured photograph" indicates that the film was colour sensitive to begin with and "colour tinted" implies a rather specific technique that was used back in the day to apply faint tints rather than bold colours to black and white proofs in order to suggest rather than reproduce the reality of the subject in a multichromatic sense.

Here is an iconic Life Magazine photo from the 1930s in modern digitally colourised format. I am sure you'd agree that the term "tinting" wouldn't do the skill of the colourist justice here - the quality is equal to the best colour photography produced using the best film and equipment:



Hand-tinted photographs were an art form in themselves, the colour having to be applied to the negative in reverse chromatically, not an easy thing to do at all. Creating personalised postcards, for example, was a lucrative trade back in Victorian and Edwardian days, and since the customer was often ordering what would be a "one-off" special care was taken to make them as good as possible using very skilled technicians (who were as much chemists as they were artists). This is a good example of one of these personalised photographs adapted to be sent as a postcard:



Whereas this is the the more standard fare for hand-tinted negatives:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 13 Nov 2015, 09:50

How does the modern digital colourisation technique work? In that Life Magazine image the negative was presumably just in shades of grey so how does the method work to recreate colour? How is the woman's dress determined to be blue and white check, rather than say red and white? I'm not being sarcastic ... I suppose I should look it up.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 13 Nov 2015, 10:11

There's a company called Mary Sweeney Photography which specialises in digitally colourising (colorising - they're American) and who are recognised as one of the leading practitioners in getting the colours right, using some very diligent historical sleuthing if necessary. They refunded one customer several thousand dollars having produced a colour portrait for them of someone from the 30s only to find that the woman's purse (handbag) was actually a designer version and they'd got the colour wrong. The article in the paper about it and the refund were, I imagine, contrived to generate publicity for them as well, but in it they talked about their sleuthing techniques which examined contemporaneous sources ranging from available colour images to clothing catalogues and written descriptions, anything at all in fact that might be relevant. It sounded a really painstaking process.

Others probably just "go with their gut".
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 13 Nov 2015, 10:27

Thanks, I guessed it was basically reliant on research to determine the original colours (or the most likely original colours) rather than anything else.... which is why I can accept the 1930s blue and white gingham dress, but have trouble with the 1920s blue woollen scarves and mittens (unless the Everest team did actually keep accurate sartorial diaries).
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 13 Nov 2015, 10:30

This is the same photo as displayed on the National Geographic site:



Seems a compositor on their website felt the same as you did, MM!
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 13 Nov 2015, 10:38

And they also had access to some rather recent evidence of what colour clothes at least one of the lads had on them at the time - if rather gruesome:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:03

@nordmann wrote:
There's a company called Mary Sweeney Photography which specialises in digitally colourising (colorising - they're American)

Surely for the US it would colorized? Smile

Seriously though, thanks for the explanation.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Tue 20 Dec 2016, 23:09

The Romanovs are the Imperial Family that ruled Russia for over three centuries. Here are some photographs of Nicholas II's family during part of the First World War: 1915-1916.   
http://mashable.com/2015/01/10/Romanov-family-photos/
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PostSubject: Re: Historical photographs.   Mon 26 Dec 2016, 19:17

The oldest photographs in the world




Kind regards, Paul.
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