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PostSubject: Flying Saucers   Sun 07 Oct 2012, 16:28

"They flew like a saucer would if you skipped it across the water",this was how pilot Kenneth Arnold described an encounter he had while flying near Mount Rainier, Washington, on the 24th June 1947. The media immediately pounced on the description and the term "Flying Saucer" was born.[ three days earlier, a Mr Harold Dahl had reported a similar encounter, but has been practically forgotten]

Arnold's encounter marked the beginning of a phenomenon of reported sightings, encounters of the first, second and third kind [and,in the case of Brazilian farmer Antonio Villas Boas, an encounter of the fourth kind]. Many were simple cases of misidentification, others hoaxes some pure cranks. However, there is a small percentage, often made by experienced observers lke pilots and policemen which remain unexplained.

Are these unexplained sightings an as yet unidentified natural occurrence, some form of ball lightning perhaps, or is some type of intelligence behind them ?
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Sun 07 Oct 2012, 16:59

I wonder if the yet unidentified life forms that inhabit the moon and mars are asking the same questions about the strange beings that came, drove around for a bit, had a picnic and roared off in a cloud of mystery from the moon… or what they are thinking of the strange creature now landed on mars… maybe one of them is putting words together similar to: ‘no one would have believed…’ and ‘slowly but surely they came.’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvwxvCOSH4
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Sun 07 Oct 2012, 18:42

This Channel 4 documentary from 2005 takes a pretty standard historically analytical approach to exploring this alleged phenomenon. Nick Cook, the presenter, probably lends too much credence to certain claims in his script in order to preserve maximum dramatic effect, but this is not reflected in what he has published in written format. All in all it is one of the best descriptions of how UFO "beliefs" have evolved since the 1940s and whatever plausible reasons might lie behind this development, despite often the lack of hard data - a development which itself receives plausible explanation in this programme.

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 12 Oct 2012, 14:09

After the discussion elsewhere on the Conspiracy Roadtrip on creationism, the next is on UFOs next Monday. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ndm9r
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 12 Oct 2012, 14:41

The presenter, Andrew Maxwell and one of his associates, Darren Perks, managed to get themselves arrested after trying to sneak into Area 51 in Nevada.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Wed 17 Apr 2013, 11:02

17 April 1897, an "airship" is reputed to have crashed at Aurora, Texas.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Aurora.html

the "pilot" is supposed to be buried in the local cemetery;



The Aurora sighting was part of what later investigators call "a ufo flap", a series of sightings of airships across the United States which took place in 1896/97.
( the alternative, a hoax to drum up business for Aurora which was dying on its feet )
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Tue 14 May 2013, 09:27

14 May 1973, Skylab blasts off from Cape Canaveral. On the 20th September, this sighting takes place;

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Tue 14 May 2013, 15:23

Combining both aliens and history, and yes people really do believe in this stuff

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Wed 15 May 2013, 15:12

The Ancient Aliens debunking site;

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/

one of the best known historical sightings;



and the more rational explanation;

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/nuremburg-ufo-battle-debunked/

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 21 Jun 2013, 12:47

Why the MOD closed Britain's X-Files;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22991014
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Wed 13 Aug 2014, 15:20

My guess is that this is a dirigible,

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Wed 13 Aug 2014, 15:23

Carl Jung's view on UFOs

http://www.tekgnostics.com/jung.HTM
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Tue 17 Mar 2015, 15:30

The Washington Post's headline after UFOs were reported over Washington DC in July 1952;

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Tue 17 Mar 2015, 15:36

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 24 Jul 2015, 14:43

They're here;

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 24 Jul 2015, 14:50

Kepler 452b, looking good;

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 24 Jul 2015, 22:41

UFOs in the modern sense began a little earlier than suggested above - as "foo fighters" they were reported fairly frequently from mid-1944, and were sometimes thought to be Axis "secret weapons".
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Thu 15 Oct 2015, 10:51

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Wed 04 Nov 2015, 18:28

One of the more amusing (with hindsight) consequences of the "flying saucer" observations was a serious attempt to build one. Known as "Project Y", it seems to have been driven in part by the belief that if flying saucers existed, they had to be a Soviet secret weapon, and therefore it made sense to try to replicate the achievement.

Project Y ran in Canada with US funding from the late 1950s onwards, and was conceived as a supersonic fighter, with most of the "saucer" being a form of turbojet engine, and multiple exhausts along the rim. As this soon turned out to be rather too exotic, and did not progress beyond a mock-up, Project Y2 featured six or eight more conventional jet engines in a saucer-shaped body, with suggestions that one mode of attack could be ramming enemy aircraft with the reinforced edge of the disc. This remained a paper design. When details of all these exotics, and the amount of money spent on them, leaked out into the press it was highly embarrassing to the Canadian government.

But the program is credited with a inspiring the... hovercraft. The one actual vehicle built, the VZ-9 Avrocar, was just about able to hover in ground effect, and this inspired the inventor of the hovercraft to produce something more efficient.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Thu 05 Nov 2015, 12:40

This one only made as far as taxiing and runway hops, the Vought XF5U, nicknamed the Flying Pancake, cancelled in 1947 after budget overspends;

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Thu 05 Nov 2015, 12:45

There were a few flying wing designs in the 40s and 50s which could easily have been mistaken for flying saucers.

Northrop YB-49;

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Thu 05 Nov 2015, 13:00

I suspect the Northrop YB-49 would have been quite good "stealth-wise" against even modern radar, as indeed was the Vulcan bomber.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Mon 14 Dec 2015, 14:20

Back in the 50s/60s, the CIA noticed a correlation between the number of UFO reports and their (secret) U2 flights:

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Tue 15 Dec 2015, 09:36

Last night's episode of Fargo went totally X-Files. The incident involving a Minnesota state trooper which lay behind it;


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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Tue 15 Dec 2015, 10:22

Trike - a spoiler! I've not seen recording yet - mark you most of Fargo is about unidentified  something or other......I make it 58 bodies so far.......not to mention several fingers on the butcher's floor. Oh dear, I suppose it will be all over soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Tue 15 Dec 2015, 13:37

Oooops!!!!!, Sorry, hope I haven't given too much away, P.

Yes, last night was the penultimate episode, I've really enjoyed this series.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Wed 16 Dec 2015, 14:56

Body count 70 plus - couldn't keep up. Loved the hairdresser whisking away the butcher with - "Come ARN -it's only a flying saucer!" Also loving it; brilliant production.
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 08 Jan 2016, 09:36

8 January 1981: the Trans-en Provence UFO case;

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Wed 25 May 2016, 11:52

The Truth is out There

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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Wed 01 Feb 2017, 16:01

Hurricane pilot BC Lumsden's encounter with two "foo fighters" in December 1942:

"No-one knows who the first RAF air crew to see a UFO in WWII was, but one of the earliest recorded RAF encounters comes from B.C. Lumsden who observed two classic foo-fighters while flying a Hurricane fighter over France in December 1942.
Lumsden had left England at seven p.m., for a mission over the French coast. An hour later, while cruising at 7,000 feet over the mouth of the River Somme, he discovered that he had company. Two steadily climbing orange-coloured lights, with one slightly above the other. Lumsden at first thought the lights may be tracer flak, but discarded the idea when he saw how slowly the objects were moving. He did a full turn and saw the lights astern and to port but now they were larger and brighter. At 7,000 feet they stopped climbing and stayed level with his Hurricane. The frightened pilot executed another full turn, only to discover that the objects had stayed with him. Lumsden nose-dived to 4,000 feet with the lights following his every manoeuvre. Finally they descended to about 1,000 feet below him until he leveled out, at which point they climbed again and resumed pursuit. The two lights seemed to maintain an even distance from each other and varied only slightly in relative height from time to time. One always remained a little lower than the other. At last, as Lumsden's speed reached 260 miles per hour, he was gradually able to outdistance the UFOs. ‘I found it hard to make other members of the squadron believe me when I told my story,’ Lumsden said, ‘but the following night one of the squadron flight commanders in the same area had a similar experience with a green light.’ "
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 03 Feb 2017, 10:22

Do frisbees count as flying saucers?  I suppose they are a bit too flat though they seemed to proliferate when "Xena, Warrior Princess" was on TV.  Haven't watched "Fargo" yet - it's on my list (mind you, "Breaking Bad" has been on my list for about 3 years - people say if one can get past the atrocious idea of a teacher supplying drugs to pupils [BB that is not "Fargo"] it's very good).
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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Tue 07 Feb 2017, 15:05

About the " Foo fighters"


An interesting documentary series " World War Weird" episode 2 had an interesting explanation on this phenomena experienced by night pilots during WW2.

Are you in a location where you can watch this series :


https://uktvplay.uktv.co.uk/shows/world-war-weird/watch-online/?video=5284171937001




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PostSubject: Re: Flying Saucers   Fri 10 Feb 2017, 11:53

Dirk, that's where I heard Lumsden's UFO story and the U-28 Sea Serpent.

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The West Freugh Incident, April 1957:

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