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Priscilla
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PostSubject: Mothers - Some Muvvers do 'ave 'em   Wed 05 Feb 2014, 16:56

Lets have some mothers from history who influenced their off spring for our better or  worse.

But nothing about Plato's, mm? Like for a change? Or Mary.
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PostSubject: Re: Mothers - Some Muvvers do 'ave 'em   Thu 06 Feb 2014, 09:21

Julia Domna - ruled the Roman emperor through her husband and two sons. She looked after philosophers too, bless 'er. One of very few Roman women who were deified after death.
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PostSubject: Re: Mothers - Some Muvvers do 'ave 'em   Thu 06 Feb 2014, 10:44

My late Mum read a book about Shaka Zulu and she became annoyed because (at least according to that biography), he dealt very harshly with his those of his own Zulu people who he thought did not grieve enough at his old Mum's funeral.  He was of course still a great warrior.  I suppose Margaret Beaufort could be considered to have influenced her son who became Henry VII (and before everybody jumps on me metaphorically from a great height I am not basing that statement on a certain hsitorical "romp" TV series or a certain historical "romp" novel).
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PostSubject: Re: Mothers - Some Muvvers do 'ave 'em   Fri 07 Feb 2014, 14:53

The thread has not inspired a wealth of interest in influential mums but there must be some more to blame or praise; Queen Victoria, for one.
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PostSubject: Re: Mothers - Some Muvvers do 'ave 'em   Fri 07 Feb 2014, 15:36

Catherine de Medici's brood were a rum lot. She wasn't the easiest of mothers. Her daughter-in-law, Mary Queen of Scots, loathed her.
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PostSubject: Re: Mothers - Some Muvvers do 'ave 'em   Wed 19 Feb 2014, 12:13

@Priscilla wrote:
The thread has not inspired a wealth of interest in influential mums but there must be some more to blame or praise; Queen Victoria, for one.

My problem, Priscilla, is that I am much better at remembering ones that were blameworthy than ones who did an excellent job. Women were so often vilified through the ages I don't really want add to their vilification unnecessarily (like in the Bible it was Eve who tempted Adam to eat the apple - uh, he was an adult, didn't he have a brain??). I seem to recall from school history lessons that George III's mother told him to "Be King" - well he did become king but his reign was questionable at best though if he had an illness that was not his fault.  I feel very sorry for poor Queen Anne (James II's daughter - and I do hope I have written "Anne" correctly - sometimes have difficulty remembering who was an "Anne" and who was an "Ann").  She had so many children and they all died in infancy except the Duke of Gloucester and he died while he was still a child.  She must have gone through heartbreak though I know losing children was not rare in those times.  Mrs Pankhurst should get an honourable mention as a positive mother I feel because she worked with her daughters to improve women's rights (though Daddy Pankhurst was a "good 'un" too - think he introduced Bank Holidays).  Alexander the Great [for whom I have found it hard to have much empathy even if he was a great warrior since I heard that he hanged the physician of one of his friends after his friend died] I believe was influenced by his mother Olympias (though I don't think she was necessarily a nice baggage of goods either).  If anymore mothers of note randomly occur to me I will come back and post again.
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PostSubject: Re: Mothers - Some Muvvers do 'ave 'em   Wed 19 Feb 2014, 12:56

Livia Drusila, second wife of Augustus, seems to have been the mother and grandmother from Hades considering her unbridled ambition for her chosen offspring ... at least if one accepts Robert Graves' interpretation of Suetonius and Tacitus.

But whatever the truth about her scheming, plotting and murdering to remove any rivals, she was nevertheless the mother of the emperor Tiberius, paternal grandmother of the emperor Claudius, paternal great-grandmother of the emperor Caligula, and maternal great-great-grandmother of the emperor Nero .... all of whom might well have been pushed aside by other claimants. And she ended up a goddess too.
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PostSubject: Re: Mothers - Some Muvvers do 'ave 'em   Wed 19 Feb 2014, 22:49

How about Constantine's mother?
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