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PostSubject: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 15:09

Having appeared over on the Dish of the Day thread, I though that Titanic is worthy of a thread of her own

Arguably the most famous ship and most famous shipwreck in history, RMS Titanic struck an iceberg on the night of the 14th April 1912 and sank at around 2.20am on the 15th.

Titanic departs Southampton on the 10th April 1912;

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 15:12

Harland & Wolff

Titanic (right) with her sister ship Olympic at the Harland & Wolff Shipyard in Belfast;

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 15:24

The Iceberg;

Titanic Iceberg
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 15:47

The route of the Titanic and the Iceberg:

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 15:54

Contemporary newsreel footage;

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 15:58

Lifeboat "Collapsible D" photographed from Carpathia, 7.15am on the 15th April;

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 16:02

Plan of the Boat Deck;




Plan of the Boat Deck of RMS Titanic showing the location of the lifeboats. The main lifeboats are marked in green, while the emergency cutters are highlighted in red. Two of the collapsible lifeboats are marked in purple. The other two (not on this diagram) were situated on the roof of the officers' quarters behind the wheelhouse.
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 16:37

Yes, the Titanic sinking was tragic with the loss of many lives but I often wonder why there is so much publicity given to the Titanic yet on the "Empress of Ireland"  sinking after the collision with SS Storstad on the ST Lawrence River (Canada) on May29 1914 very little is ever published.

She sank in a matter of fourteen minutes and the death toll as a result of this accident was 1012 people.


Do you think that because the accident happened a few months before the n outbreak of World War 1 could have been one of the reason that so little publicity was given to the sinking of "Empress of Ireland.


Have a read through:

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/empress-of-ireland.html
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Fri 15 Apr 2016, 20:15

Dirk and Triceratops, excuses to interrupt the thread...
Dirk, if you want to look at my message of 12 April 22h38 to Ferval in het "Archaeology of excrements" thread
about "spiegeltent" and "spiegelpaleis"...what's your memory about that?

Kind regards to both, Paul.
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Sat 16 Apr 2016, 06:29

Paul,

 have done so and posted a reply.

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Sat 16 Apr 2016, 07:46

Violet Jessop was a stewardess onboard RMS Titanic. After Titanic hit the iceberg and began to founder, being a member of the crew she was ordered up on deck to help manage passengers. She was later ordered into lifeboat 16, and as the boat was being lowered one of the Titanic's officers gave her a baby to look after. The next morning she and the other survivors in the boat were picked up by RMS Carpathia.

But interestingly she had also been a stewardess on Titanic's sister ship, RMS Olympic, when on 29 September 1911, Olympic collided with HMS Hawke, began taking on water and had to limp back to Southampton. Furthermore, during WW1 Jessop served as a nurse for the Red Cross, and was on the Britannic, the third sister ship of Titanic, which was then serving as a hospital ship in the Aegean, when on the morning of 21 November 1916 Britannic struck a mine and quickly sank. Violet Jessop ended up in the water but managed to get hold of a life belt, and was later pulled from the water by other survivors in a lifeboat.

After the war she continued to work for the White Star Line, but having been on Olympic during a collision, and onboard Titanic and Britannic when they sank, I wonder how many passengers would have wanted her onboard with them.



Violet Jessop when she was assigned to Britannic.
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Sat 16 Apr 2016, 19:53

Meles meles,

 Did not know about this and cannot recall of ever having read about the nurse and baby.
Was the story ever followed up and is it known what happened to the baby?
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Sat 16 Apr 2016, 20:17

From wiki:

"According to Violet, while on board the Carpathia, a woman grabbed the baby she was holding and ran off with it without saying a word. ..... Years after her retirement, Violet claimed to have received a telephone call, on a stormy night, from a woman who asked Violet if she saved a baby on the night that the Titanic sank. "Yes," Violet replied. The voice then said "I was that baby," laughed, and hung up. Her friend and biographer John Maxtone-Graham said it was most likely some children in the village playing a joke on her. She replied, "No, John, I had never told that story to anyone before I told you now." Records indicate that the only baby on boat 16 was Assad Thomas, who was handed to Edwina Troutt, and later reunited with his mother on the Carpathia."

Violet Jessop, "Miss Unsinkable", seems to have quite relished the notoriety of having been sunk twice, so maybe it's a case of her story growing in the telling.
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Sun 17 Apr 2016, 18:05

@Meles meles wrote:
From wiki:

"According to Violet, while on board the Carpathia, a woman grabbed the baby she was holding and ran off with it without saying a word. ..... Years after her retirement, Violet claimed to have received a telephone call, on a stormy night, from a woman who asked Violet if she saved a baby on the night that the Titanic sank. "Yes," Violet replied. The voice then said "I was that baby," laughed, and hung up. Her friend and biographer John Maxtone-Graham said it was most likely some children in the village playing a joke on her. She replied, "No, John, I had never told that story to anyone before I told you now." Records indicate that the only baby on boat 16 was Assad Thomas, who was handed to Edwina Troutt, and later reunited with his mother on the Carpathia."

Violet Jessop, "Miss Unsinkable", seems to have quite relished the notoriety of having been sunk twice, so maybe it's a case of her story growing in the telling.




Meles meles.

 thanks for that information.
Yes , you could be right in mentioning that Violet Jessop seems to have relished her story. And if it is indeed the truth then I think it would have been given more publicity.
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Sun 17 Apr 2016, 19:33

I've not read her biography or her memoirs but I gather from wiki and other popular online sources that she was a devout catholic who always carried her rosary in her apron and who strongly believed in the power of prayer. She also comes across as rather superstitious, and believing in the power of charms and in ordained luck, fate, karma or something like that.

In her memoirs she says that on the Titanic's maiden voyage she brought a copy of a translated Hebrew prayer that an old Irish woman had given her. Upon settling down in her bunk she found that prayer and read it, and then made her roommate read it. It was a strangely worded prayer that Violet says was supposed to protect her against fire and water. (Hmmm). And there's also the funny business with the phone call which claimed to be from the child she'd long ago rescued ... an incident she said she'd never told to anyone else, and which she'd only just divulged to her friend ... who was also just in the process of writing her biography.

Call me an old cynic but she sounds like someone who relished a good bit of drama and was not averse to providing the necessary dramatic twist if it would improve the story. She may not actually have been lying but perhaps rather in her mind she sincerely believed the more dramatic sequence of events to be true. All in all though something doesn't quite ring true.

Possibly another 'deluded' soul, keen to embellish the 'real world' to enhance the history of what happened with how she believed it should have occurred?
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Mon 18 Apr 2016, 16:22

If you like recolourized old photos, there are quite a few of RMS Titanic at Titanic in color

Despite the site's name there are lots more photos of Olympic and Britannic - including some restored photos of interiors - because of course they lasted a lot longer than their ill-fated sistership.


Olympic (L) alongside Titanic (R) at Belfast, 6 March 1912.


Titanic casts off from Southampton, 10 April 1912.


Titanic leaving Southampton, 10 April 1912.


The news breaks in London, 15 April 1912.
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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Mon 18 Apr 2016, 20:57

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Tue 19 Apr 2016, 10:35

If you have two hours, forty-one minutes and eighteen seconds to spare you might want to watch this animation of the Titanic sinking in "real time". Here are the events and their timing as gleaned from eye-witness accounts from the tragedy.


0:30 - Iceberg spotted.
1:05 - Titanic collides with iceberg.
6:06 - The ship has stopped as damage inspections are carried out.
7:44 - Captain Smith orders engines to 'Half Ahead'.
19:41 - Titanic stops for the last time.
20:04 - Excess steam is vented.
38:08 - The Titanic begins taking on a 'starboard list'.
43:03 - Thomas Andrews estimates 1-2 hours before the ship sinks.
46:23 - The first distress calls are sent out.
48:38 - Lights of another ship are spotted on the horizon.
53:07 - Most lifeboats are prepared to evacuate passengers.
58:20 - Carpathia responds to Titanic's distress calls.
1:01:29 - Lifeboat 7 is launched.
1:05:03 - Lifeboat 5 is launched.
1:05:21 - The D-Deck gangway doors are opened.
1:06:04 - The telegraph operators begin using 'SOS'.
1:07:22 - Lifeboat 5 encounters lowering difficulties.
1:08:02 - Officer Boxhall launches the first distress rocket in an attempt to signal the ship on the horizon.
1:10:24 - The Carpathia confirms it is on it's way.
1:11:03 - Steam stops venting from the funnels.
1:13:20 - The starboard list is eliminated as Boiler Room 5 floods.
1:21:28 - Lifeboat 8 leaves.
1:28:22 - Suction pumps are activated.
1:31:33 - Lifeboat 6 is launched.
1:36:57 - Water is up to the Titanic's nameplate.
1:39:37 - Titanic begins listing to port.
1:41:43 - Lifeboat 16 is launched.
1:46:54 - Lifeboat 14 is launched.
1:51:18 - Lifeboat 14 is dropped 4 feet into the sea from its falls after they jammed.
1:51:42 - Lifeboat 12 is launched.
1:52:29 - Lifeboat 9 is launched.
1:58:53 - Lifeboat 11 is launched.
2:00:41 - Lifeboat 13 is launched.
2:05:21 - Lifeboat 13 is pushed aft by the discharging condenser, jamming it on the falls.
2:05:50 - Lifeboat 15.
2:05:42 - Lifeboat 13 cannot release itself as Lifeboat 15 comes down on top of it.
2:07:07 - Lifeboat 13 is released and is pulled out from underneath Lifeboat 15 as 15 lands in the water.
2:07:38 - Lifeboat 2 is launched.
2:09:31 - The lights on the horizon disappear.
2:11:52 - Lifeboat 4.
2:12:22 - Lifeboat 10.
2:22:12 - It is now 2AM. The Titanic has 20 minutes left.
2:26:10 - Collapsible Boat D is launched.
2:29:39 - The last messages from the Titanic are heard.
2:30:46 - Collapsible A is slid off the Officers' Quarters roof.
2:31:03 - The Wireless Room is abandoned.
2:31:42 - Collapsible B is thrown from the roof of the office quarters. It lands upside down in the water.
2:34:01 - Survivors distinctly hear 4 explosions from deep within the ship.
2:39:23 - All remaining power is lost. The ship breaks in two.
2:40:36 - Titanic is gone. Rescuers do not arrive for another hour and 40 minutes.
2:40:51 - Titanic is heard below the surface as it breaks apart, implodes and falls to the sea floor.

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Wed 20 Apr 2016, 09:50

Given those timings, it took the crew until 2am to launch the wooden lifeboats which were available. Even if the ship had been carrying enough lifeboats for everyone, it is doubtful if they would have managed to launch them.

Titanic was unusual in that it sank by the head, allowing both port and starboard side lifeboats to be launched. In the case of the Empress of Ireland, mentioned by Dirk, and the later sinking of the Lusitania, these ships capsized, meaning only the lifeboats on one side could be used.

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Wed 20 Apr 2016, 12:31

In 1879, another Atlantic liner, SS Arizona, collided with an iceberg. Unlike Titanic, the Arizona collision was head on resulting in a crumpled bow but no underwater rupture.

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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Wed 20 Apr 2016, 12:46

Even these days with state of the art navigation aids and all, icebergs still sink ships, especially ones almost totally submerged. "The Explorer", as recently as 2007, came a cropper after a collision which inflicted remarkably similar damage to that which sank the Titanic, a gash long enough to traverse one bulkhead (though in this case only about a foot in length). All 154 personnel on board managed to evacuate successfully, though were then drifting about for five hours in lifeboats in Antarctic waters before finally being rescued by the Norwegian cruise ship "Nordnorge".





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PostSubject: Re: RMS Titanic   Wed 11 May 2016, 13:01

An earlier, 1833, disaster in ice off Newfoundland;

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