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PostSubject: The Galatians    Thu 07 Dec 2017, 11:41

The thought provoking text in the exploitation thread re St Paul's admonishments of the wayward Galatians, revived memory of old research into these Gauls in Asia Minor. A quick Google mentions tribal movement but I recall reading of a Roman initiative to resettle about 20 000 troublemakers there. Mass Gallic tribal movement was no new thing  when tribes increased beyond economic resources - the thwarted  great Helvitii plan to settle in Iberia being one, but I saw no reference to any Roman initiative and unsure where I happened on that. Did it happen?
 A feisty people, I also wonder how they became Christian in the first place. The southernmost tribes of Gaul were influenced by the Greeks - their Council of Three Hundred, for instance was  common in many Greek colonies - and also influenced by Phoenicians  - possibly the recruiting agents who took  them into mercenary service  with Persians and as they also became later with the Romans. Of how they adjusted to Asia Minor, I know little - anyone any knowledge of them?
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PostSubject: Re: The Galatians    Thu 07 Dec 2017, 22:29

Priscilla,

yes the Galatians...I did a bit research about them when in a never ending thread about the Celts..(you know if you touch the Celts on an English language site...) I made the links with celts, keltoi, gaulois, galates , Welsh, walloon, wallish all name related I thought...but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhaz
https://www.le.ac.uk/ar/stj/conventional.htm

Nevertheless, there is no difference because it goes about the same people, but Welsh, walloon, is only the Germanic name of them?

Kind regards Priscilla from Paul.
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PostSubject: Re: The Galatians    Sat 09 Dec 2017, 22:17

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PostSubject: Re: The Galatians    Sat 09 Dec 2017, 22:55

Paul - AIUI  Welsh, Kernowales (now Cornish), walloon - all just mean "foreign", so more like "barbarian" than denoting a specific tribal or linguistic grouping.
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PostSubject: Re: The Galatians    Sun 10 Dec 2017, 22:56

@Gilgamesh of Uruk wrote:
Paul - AIUI  Welsh, Kernowales (now Cornish), walloon - all just mean "foreign", so more like "barbarian" than denoting a specific tribal or linguistic grouping.


Gilgamesh,

yes, the Germanic word for foreigner was something like waals, wallis, Welsh, wales...but as they said it mostly to celtic people, gallic people arent they pointing then not to the same celtic group...?

 As we are speaking about "waals" in the sense of "foreign", I still remember that I in the BBC thread spoke about the "vinkenzetting" where some birds had another voice instead of the "suskewiet" another song...and they said then that they sung in "waals"...
I even think that it was to you that I mentioned it...what one all remembers from those times Wink ...even your sejourn at Mons only some sixty miles from us (I suppose...have to verify...)

Yes those "vinkenzettingen"
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/c/Chaffinch.htm
From the link:
"Finching
In a number of countries such as Belgium, the Chaffinch is a popular pet bird, although it is nowadays forbidden to catch the birds in the wild. In some areas of Western Belgium, finching (also called finch singing contests or finch song contests or vinkenzetting) is a quite popular sport. In a finching contest, a number of cages each housing a male finch are lined up, usually along a street. Every time the bird sings its song (which should be the correct tune!) this is marked with a chalk stripe on a wooden stick, and the bird singing its song the most times during one hour wins the contest.
Vinkenzetting, from the Dutch for finch-sitting, is a traditional sport played primarily in the  Flemish regions of Belgium. Participants sit in front of caged finches and count how many times each finch sings a particular  birdsong (most often transcribed as suskewiet).
The oldest known records of vinkenzetting are from  1593; however, it is believed to be considerably older, as the 1593 records were in a context implying that any reader would already be familiar with it.
By the late nineteenth century, vinkenzetting's popularity had diminished significantly; however, it saw a resurgence after the  First World War, largely because of the large number of newly- blinded veterans who considered themselves unable to participate in other sports. As of 2006, it is estimated that there are over 13000 vinkenier, or "finch-holders"."
https://vimeo.com/44154949
Finch sitters a dying race...a bit boring in my opinion, but each his taste...also in my opinion...


Kind regards from Paul.
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PostSubject: Re: The Galatians    Sun 10 Dec 2017, 23:22

Paul - Aren't "finch manoevers" still popular in some parts of Germany?
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PostSubject: Re: The Galatians    Mon 11 Dec 2017, 19:15

Yes Gil,

"finch manoeuvres"...I wasn't aware of this until now. I searched first in German, but as I thought that the Dutch "vink" was the same in German, but it is "fink" and with "vinkensang" I found nothing, that is "finkenschlag" in German.
https://www.unesco.de/en/kultur/immaterielles-kulturerbe/german-inventory/inscription/finch-manoeuvre-in-harz.html

And it seems more sophisticated than overhere, instead of paper and pen it is here with chalk (I think to verify the electronic in the box?) four lines in the stick and then crossing it diagonally to make it five...
We have one in the family, who "do" the finch manoeuvres and he also hold "duiven" (we call it a "duivenmelker" ( a dove milker), yes I know I found for "duif" pigeon and dove...it is therefore that you have so many words in English Wink ... for each word a Dutch and  a French version).
In my childhood  (six years old)(province of East-Flanders) we had a play we called "bollen" (bowling?) on the earth near the foot path with a kind of wooden cylinder to roll as near as possible to a pole (paal)...


Of course nowadays it is more the American bowling with all the needed electronica...
Kind regards from Paul.

PS. Sorry Priscilla, how I came now from your Galatians to local bowling is beyond me...
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