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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Tue 13 Jun 2017, 16:07

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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Mon 19 Jun 2017, 12:22

From todays Daily Mash:

LARRY the Cat is the only inhabitant of Downing Street to have done a good job this century, it has been confirmed.
Larry, who does everything he is asked by catching an average of two mice a week, has yet to plunge the country into disarray, start a disastrous war or drive the economy into a tree.
Larry said: “I just show up and do my job. No fuss, no bother.
“I think one advantage I have is that I lick my own bum rather than having other people do it for me. It keeps me grounded.”
He added: “I’ve no plans to run for the top job myself. People say that politics attracts unprincipled psychopaths and as a cat I just wouldn’t fit in. I’m too nice."
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Mon 19 Jun 2017, 22:39

Africats to the Purr-ymids: DNA study reveals long tale of cat domestication.

Study of ancient genetic material from Egypt to Viking graveyards reveals all tamed cats descended from one rodent-catching African subspecies first tamed by Near East farmers 9,000 years ago.

The Guardian - DNA study reveals long tale of cat domestication
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Tue 20 Jun 2017, 17:01

Did humans tame cats or did cats tame themselves in exchange for an easy food source? Knowing cats I rather think it was the latter.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Tue 20 Jun 2017, 17:56

Neither, cats tamed us and then only deigned to stick around as long as it was worth their while. I've just offered mine some food which it declined and then had me open. first the back and then the front, door and wandered off. In the meantime the new wee tabby in the neighbourhood strolled in through the back door and finished up the food my cat had left.

So who's domesticated?
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Tue 20 Jun 2017, 20:29

Poor Larry looks dreadfully hot: he has commented how having a fur coat is a real trial at the moment. I hope someone from Number 10 has the sense to take him indoors to a cool spot, and keep him there until the weather breaks.





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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sat 24 Jun 2017, 14:05

The Romans were apparently very fond of their moggies:

The Romans respected the vermin-catching abilities of the domestic cat, but also saw them as exotic pets and sacred animals. They associated the cat with liberty and divinity and so the cat was the only animal allowed to walk freely around their temples. Libertas (the goddess of liberty) was often depicted with a cat at her feet.

So people who think they are too good to post on the Moggy Thread should put that in their pipes and smoke it.








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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sat 24 Jun 2017, 14:37

That's interesting. Steven Saylor, author of the 'Gordianus' historical who-dunnits set around the time of Sulla to the rise of Julius Cesar, and generally I think well-researched and historically accurate, rather suggests that the Romans preferred dogs to cats. He implies - and it is a very minor, somewhat incidental plot device - that most Romans (and in this period that still means only citizens of the Eternal City itself rather than any wider Italian or Imperial connotation), viewed cats, or at least pet cats, as feminine, foreign (Egyptian in particular) and slightly sinister. Proper manly, masterful, militaristic Romans kept dogs, if they kept any pets at all other than working animals. Saylor's principal character Gordianus, although a citizen, is far from being a typical Roman: he has a house-cat called Bast (named after the Egyptian cat-headed goddess of hearth and home), who he acquired at the same time as his Egyptian slave, concubine, mother to his children, and eventually wife, ... although even he admits that the cat, just like his Egyptian mistress/slave, deigns to live with him only for as long as it suits them.

Did Cleo bring with her an increased appreciation for cats when she arrived in Rome to visit Jules? All things Egyptian certainly became very much in vogue after that grand visit ... even that rather coarse soldier, Mark Anthony, was won over.


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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sat 24 Jun 2017, 16:28

Ah, but Bast was original a warrior god and was only reduced to friendly, protective house-puss status when Sekhmet arrived from Upper Egypt with the conquest of Lower. She was also cat or lion headed and didn't look amenable to a gentle tickle behind the ears and so the Romans may have appreciated that side of their feline companions.







Sekhmet, the Lion-Headed Goddess of War

Margaret Atwood

He was the sort of man
who wouldn’t hurt a fly.
Many flies are now alive
while he is not.
He was not my patron.
He preferred full granaries, I battle.
My roar meant slaughter.
Yet here we are together
in the same museum.
That’s not what I see, though, the fitful
crowds of staring children
learning the lesson of multi-
cultural obliteration, sic transit
and so on.

I see the temple where I was born
or built, where I held power.
I see the desert beyond,
where the hot conical tombs, that look
from a distance, frankly, like dunces’ hats,
hide my jokes: the dried-out flesh
and bones, the wooden boats
in which the dead sail endlessly
in no direction.

What did you expect from gods
with animal heads?
Though come to think of it
the ones made later, who were fully human
were not such good news either.
Favour me and give me riches,
destroy my enemies.
That seems to be the gist.
Oh yes: And save me from death.
In return we’re given blood
and bread, flowers and prayer,
and lip service.

Maybe there’s something in all of this
I missed. But if it’s selfless
love you’re looking for,
you’ve got the wrong goddess.

I just sit where I’m put, composed
of stone and wishful thinking:
that the deity who kills for pleasure
will also heal,
that in the midst of your nightmare,
the final one, a kind lion
will come with bandages in her mouth
and the soft body of a woman,
and lick you clean of fever,
and pick your soul up gently by the nape of the neck
and caress you into darkness and paradise.





Did Marcus Didius Falco have dealings with cats? I recall he had a faithful mutt but his kids might have dallied with pussies. I can't remember.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sat 24 Jun 2017, 17:56

Oh, brilliant, brilliant poem, ferval - thank you for posting it.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sat 24 Jun 2017, 21:50

Indeed, great poem, thanks for that.

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Did Marcus Didius Falco have dealings with cats? I recall he had a faithful mutt but his kids might have dallied with pussies. I can't remember.

I remember that his dog was called Nux, and the ox he briefly acquired as part of a disguise as a door-to-door, scrap lead-pipe merchant in Pompeii, was called Nero, but no I can't recall any cats  ... other than the aged ex-arena lion, Leonidas, who accidentally ate a relation ... one of his brother-in-laws I think it was.

Thanks for reminding me about Falco, it's been a while since I read them and just at the moment I could do with a bit of light-hearted, tongue-in-cheek historical escapism ...
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Mon 26 Jun 2017, 11:54

What is about Oban that makes the cats there so adventurous, are they all descended from the ships' cats of old? Just a year after one moggy went for a wee cruise with Cal Mac, another one has had a 3 day trip back and forwards to Barra. Cat stows away on the Barra ferry
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Fri 30 Jun 2017, 10:27

The Brexit Plague. Larry looking dignified though

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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sun 09 Jul 2017, 14:07

Jacob Rees-Moggy,




and here he is with his litter before the arrival of the latest,  Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher. So that's Peter Theodore Alphege, Mary Anne Charlotte Emma, Thomas Wentworth Somerset Dunstan, Anselm Charles Fitzwilliam and Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius in the picture.

Would it be improper to suggest that a visit to vet might be needed to stop him?





Jacob Rees Mogg, the member for the late 19th c., famously canvassed in Central Fife in 1997 accompanied by his nanny.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sun 09 Jul 2017, 14:26

If he wants to be all classical I don't know why he doesn't just call the latest one Vi ... it's going to be shortened to something like that when it inevitably gets to Winchester, Charterhouse, Rugby, Eton or wherever it's bound, having had it's name down from the moment of birth and/or buccal argentous spoon insertion.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Wed 26 Jul 2017, 08:29

Palmerston has got a second job: he's now flogging posh cat food as well as catching mice in Whitehall...

This is definitely Palmerston:  the photographer who captured this image has confirmed that the handsome moggy in the advert is indeed the F.O. cat. The picture was - so it is claimed - used by Gourmet Delight without Palmerston's permission. He is an incredibly photogenic cat in a way that Larry (who always looks a bit scruffy and scrawny) is not.



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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Tue 01 Aug 2017, 17:07

Not just cats of course, but these are from the 'Comedy Pet Photography Awards, 2017'.

    

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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Thu 03 Aug 2017, 08:36

I like the horse playing dead.


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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Thu 03 Aug 2017, 22:39

Is it playing dead or did it come off worse after get on the wrong side of the Catteries?

I was somewhat alarmed this evening after hearing the tail-end of a news report on the car radio in which we were told that the Catteries were flexing their muscles, flashing their cash and letting it be known that they weren't prepared to be pushed around by anyone. Images of a feline boarding establishment cartel sending out its pork pie hatted heavies to send a message to the opposition filled me with dread:



My fears abated, however, when I realised that Jeremy Bowen on BBC Radio 4's PM program was actually referring to 'the Qataris' in a report about soccer and geopolitics. Phew!
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Fri 04 Aug 2017, 11:41

There's a cattery up the road from me (handy when I want to find bed and board for my kitty if I go away) so I should have had to be watchful had the story been true in the sense you first understood it, Vizza.  Decades ago there was reference on TV to a 'mangy lion' in a zoo [can't recall which zoo] and the word 'mangy' was pronounced to rhyme with 'tangy'.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Wed 06 Sep 2017, 11:57

A legal row is brewing in Whitehall. A bizarre request under the Freedom of Information laws resulted in figures concerning mice caught in the past year being released. Sky News reported:



While Larry the Number 10 cat hogs the media limelight, it is the Foreign Office feline that has been hard at work.

Palmerston has been busy keeping the rodent population at bay, catching at least 27 mice since arriving in Whitehall in April 2016.

And that's official - the figure comes from documents released under Freedom of Information laws.

But those who look after the black-and-white cat, named after former Foreign Secretary and two-time prime minister Viscount Palmerston, have no doubt that number is an underestimate.

The recorded figures only include officially documented sightings and so is likely to be far higher.




The Daily Mail also reported this story this week, adding the inflammatory comment:

His rival Larry has a less than formidable reputation. He is more often seen catnapping in the sun and making ill-timed appearances in press photographs.

Earlier this year he was photographed playing with a mouse before allowing it to escape unharmed.


Larry is trying to maintain a dignified silence (only one indignant Tweet so far), but has apparently consulted his lawyers about the possibility of requesting a Royal Commission to investigate the accuracy of the mousing figures recorded in the official documents - also the legality of their publication before 2047.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4849192/Foreign-Office-s-mouser-bureau-cats-boast-about.html



Palmerston has his eye on Number 10 - we've known that for several months now. A bid for the Top Spot is imminent. But why have these figures been released just now?
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Wed 06 Sep 2017, 16:02

I'm not surprised Larry is falling behind in the predator stakes if this (from this morning) is anything to go by.




All the inhabitants of No. 10 seem to be asleep on the job and this Mogg(y) contender is still eyeing up the comfy chair at the head of the cabinet table. He utterly denies it so it must be true.


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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Thu 07 Sep 2017, 08:10

That squirrel picture is so utterly humiliating it must have been deliberately staged.

How much more of this flak can Larry take before he's forced to resign?


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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Thu 07 Sep 2017, 11:00

With a lifetime  contract I doubt Larry really cares either way as long as the bowls are filled daily and doors are opened on demand. Squirrels come and go, you know and not on the job description, anyway. Hoarders are dealt with by the Treasury, surely. But if Mr C. gets into No 19, Larry may have a jolt with his considering becoming a vegan....... tho McDonalds' staff may pass on treats for strike support. However, his above attitude to  politics, Brexit and big bombs would seem to be on a par with the majority. He does not look unduly strained.


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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sat 09 Sep 2017, 09:40

One up for Larry: the Met Office has just announced storm names for 2017/18.

"L" is to be Storm Larry, but "P" is not going to be Storm Palmerston.

Eat your heart out, P. (Palmerston, not Priscilla).


PS Priscilla - it is not a "lifetime contract". Remember Humphrey who was got rid of by that dreadful Blair woman? The world of politics is cruel and unforgiving: bad things happen when people - or cats - in office are perceived as embarrassing liabilities.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sat 09 Sep 2017, 16:06

Not a life contract? But as the say in these parts, 'That Larry, 'e don' no that dew  'e?"

However, he ought  take heed of a back lash to rumbles of sorting out the fat cats.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Fri 15 Sep 2017, 13:15

It has been announced that the scientist Marc-Antoine Fardin of the Université Paris Diderot has won an Ig Nobel Prize for his theoretical treatise entitled  On the Rheology of Cats, that argues that cats can technically be regarded as simultaneously solid and liquid due to their uncanny ability to adopt the shape of their container.

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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Fri 15 Sep 2017, 13:35

As well as being simultaneously alive and dead? Respect!
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Sat 16 Sep 2017, 12:14

That picture of the cat in the container upset me a bit, MM. It does look as if the cat is okay but it reminds me of that picture of the parrot in a vacuum flask (not the type we put our hot drinks in) from a couple (or three?) centuries ago. Admittedly we don't know if the parrot was ultimately released - the little girl in the picture is getting upset. I don't want to paste that picture here because it unsettles me even now.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Tue 19 Sep 2017, 16:18

Laura Kuenssberg, the BBC political editor, does not know the meaning of mercy. Why has she done this to Larry? Was it really necessary to post this damning video on Twitter?



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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Tue 19 Sep 2017, 23:06

Larry is clearly in tune with diversity and non discrimination. The BBC ought to be more supportive of his attitude. I doubt there is a rat catcher at the BBC. The FCO is another matter altogether. We had a cat  seen by several doing a vertical jump with starry fur as in comics over a tiny mouse when on its scuttle run.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Wed 20 Sep 2017, 08:05

Larry is protesting too much - he's clearly rattled by all this:


Larry the Cat‏ @Number10cat · 13h13 hours ago
The rodent threat level for Downing Street has been reduced to Severe, meaning a mouse is highly likely but not expected imminently.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Mon 02 Oct 2017, 11:42

At last I can legitimately shoehorn something about religion into the Moggy thread. It is also vaguely historical.

As I have just mentioned on the deadly serious 19th Century German Philosophy thread, I am reading about the English Victorian writer, Samuel Butler.

Butler had a mistress whom he visited for a couple of hours every Wednesday afternoon. The relationship, if it can be called that, lasted about twenty years. He paid her a pound a week as, I suppose, a kind of retainer fee. The name of the young woman was Lucie Dumas.

Lucie was apparently extremely religious, a very strict Roman Catholic, who kept every one of the designated Church fast days What has shocked me utterly is that she even imposed these regular Holy Fasts on her unfortunate cat, Marquis.

This really is taking devotional discipline too far: I'd like to see anyone making Bosworth fast with the promise of benefits to come in the next world.


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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Mon 02 Oct 2017, 14:31

"Who's a nice puddy cat ?":

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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Mon 02 Oct 2017, 14:54

How it should be done:

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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Wed 11 Oct 2017, 20:14

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As I have just mentioned on the deadly serious 19th Century German Philosophy thread, I am reading about the English Victorian writer, Samuel Butler.

Butler had a mistress whom he visited for a couple of hours every Wednesday afternoon. The relationship, if it can be called that, lasted about twenty years. He paid her a pound a week as, I suppose, a kind of retainer fee. The name of the young woman was Lucie Dumas.

Lucie was apparently extremely religious, a very strict Roman Catholic, who kept every one of the designated Church fast days What has shocked me utterly is that she even imposed these regular Holy Fasts on her unfortunate cat, Marquis.

This really is taking devotional discipline too far: I'd like to see anyone making Bosworth fast with the promise of benefits to come in the next world.


Was she any relation to Alexandre Dumas of "Three Musketeers" fame (or should that be notoriety)?
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Wed 11 Oct 2017, 20:37

Alexandre Dumas had a cat that he called 'Mysouff' who was apparently well-known for being able to predict exactly what time his master would finish work - even allowing for when Dumas was unexpectedly working late - and so leave his office to come and play. That sounds just like any regular cat to me but Dumas thought his cat was special ... as you do.
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PostSubject: Re: Moggy Thread 3   Thu 12 Oct 2017, 09:52

Thanks for that nugget of information, MM, if I sleep through the alarm in the morning my cat is plan B because she pesters me wanting food (though as she gets older she does like her snoozes and sometimes in the morning). I liked Dumas' work when I was younger but as I got older I realised it was his version of history and not what actually happened. I'm pretty sure there was a dramatised version of "The Black Tulip" back in the 1950s when I was a very young lass and my parents had not long bought a 14" TV. I didn't watch the most recent version of a Dumas' work - "The Musketeers", but apparently there is some male eye-candy in it so maybe it's worth a watch for frivolous reasons. Getting back on point (this is the moggy thread after all). I'm in the dog house because I am giving my cat eardrops daily at present (vet's orders) and this a.m. I trod on her tail (accidentally I hasten to add).
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